Appendix 0: Full Transcript


1 Christine says "What about my suggestion that we do our preliminary protocols in the regualar MUSH?"
2 Christine says "That's what they told him in the Army..."
3 Jim says "If that would be more convenient, feel free."
4 Jim notes that Igor is listening (and logging) now.
5 David nods.
6 Don says "This is working much faster tonight."
7 Jim says "Some times the net is faster, sometimes it's slower."
8 Jim says "it's pretty much luck."
9 Christine says "Still, dono't you think it might be easier ."
10 David feels like following others' leads at the moment...
11 Don says "I don't really think so. It works the same, except it's possible to backspace."
12 Christine says "You might get lead by the nose, David..."
13 Christine says "OK, I can stand my bad typing if you can."
14 Jim smiles.
15 Don says "Jim can promise to run it through his word processor and spell checker afterwards, no?"
16 Jim is certainly not going to complain, if no-one mentions the number of typos in the manual...
17 Jim says "the finished story? sure."
18 David says "Well, if it starts to hurt I might object. At the moment, though, I just wanted to account for my silence. Which has ended:-)"
19 Don says "Okay, Jim (Startrek looms) do you need to prep us any?"
20 Jim says "nope. Y'all have a fair idea of how to use Jed, if you have questions, just ask."
21 Christine says "Oh, oh. I remember that from the labor room."
22 Jim says "jreset"
23 jed is reset.
24 Jim says "jswitch on"
25 Jim says "okay, everything's ready to go."
26 David nods acknowledgement.
27 Don says "Okay, preliminbary discussion about the shape of the story...characters...setting, plot and so on?"
28 Jim promises not to do ANYTHING like that, Christine.
29 Christine says "I think that's part of what he wants us to explore."
30 Jim smiles.
31 Don says "Should each of us be a different character and work from there?"
32 Christine says "How we go about the process of deciding who does what in collaborative writing."
33 David says "I like improvised jazz, noodling around a bit for shape."
34 Christine says "I like that idea, Don, just from having seen what happens at events on MUSHes."
35 David says "I'm willing to try it."
36 Christine says "If we could set a scene and a situation and let our characters flow naturaally from there..."
37 Don says "Set in the Midwest?"
38 Jim says "by the way. If you all want more time than the two hours I originally planned, do feel free."
39 Christine says "Course that raises some problems with point of view."
40 David says "Point of view could resolve as the story unfolds..."
41 Don says "We could do an overall plot structure and tell a story from three different points of view...like The Ring and the Book or The Seven Samurai."
42 Christine says "I'm not sure that if we did that it wouldn't be too divisive for the purposes of what Jim is doing--as if I really knew..."
43 Christine says "Although, I like that idea."
44 David says "or could be omniscient to a fault"
45 Don says "Maybe so...how about a roundrobin...each of us takes a paragraph in sequence."
46 David lagged considerably in his typing.
47 Don says "How about determining a setting first?" The door slammed shut.
48 Jim huh's?
49 Christine says "David and I are both from Minnesota--is that too far form your
50 native land, Don?"
51 Christine says "Ew, somebody's emitting."
52 Don says "I can fake it...I was in Minnesota once...for a friend's wedding."
53 Jim says "don't set yourself nospoof... it messes up the way Jed communicates with TF."
54 Don says "As long as it's in summer...I can't deal with snow."
55 David says "Sorry about emitting, I am a bit mischievous tonight. Bad day...."
56 Don says "So...Minnesota in the summer...big city? Small town?"
57 David says "MN is ok by me, of course. I am sitting there now."
58 Christine says "It's really humid in Minnesota in the summer."
59 David says "Just the past few days."
60 Don says "Spring better?"
61 Christine says "Time? Early seventies?"
62 Christine says "I lived there then. As a *young* bride."
63 David says "Uprisings at the Unviversity?"
64 Don says "That's when I wsa there...but wouldn't it be easier to make it more contemporary?"
65 Christine says "Nothing academic."
66 David says "OK. Just flashed from the 70s, early."
67 Christine says "Okay, contemporary. Then I can do name brands like Ann-what's her name."
68 Don says "I always find it easier to deal with people in their 30s than in their twenties...don;t know why."
69 Christine says "I briefly lived in a commune called Zigzag City...."
70 David says ""There used to be a beautiful commune on rolling acres, wooded in W. Wisconsin, ties to Minneapolis=Bubbling Springs."
71 Christine has reconnected.
72 Christine says "Sorry! Really bad typing. Or a mesage from God."
73 Christine says "Did I miss the good parts."
74 Don says "So you're picturing a commune experience...mid-30s (I hope)...idealism beginning to die?"
75 David says "Hot steamy sex scenes."
76 Jim says "did you hear what David said, Christine?"
77 Christine says "No, the commune was too silly."
78 David says "I said "There used to be a beautiful commune on rolling acres, wooded in W."
79 Christine says "But I like the mid-30s."
80 Jim says "that's what he said."
81 Christine says "Well, it's itneresting to wonder what happened to those foks..."
82 Christine says "There's an interesting film about it with Kiefeer Sutherland and Dennis Hopper."
83 David says "yeah, I saw that.. and some of those folks are still running cooperatives in Minneapolis."
84 Don says "So...a commune called...Rolling Acres..."
85 David says "The New Riverside Cafe (sorry Don, mainly re-vitalized with youn'uns) for instance."
86 Don says "That's o.k. with me...sounds good."
87 David says "Calls itself 'The bio-magnetic center of the Universe.' Whatever that means."
88 Christine says "I always suspected it was in MN."
89 Don says "And who are the main characters?"
90 Christine says "Are you interested in doing any genderbending while writing these characters, just to add an odd complexity for Jim to sort out?"
91 Don says "We'll probably each be writing about the various characters."
92 David says "As a 30s guy who used to hang out in Minneapolis back in those days, I find it disorienting at times those spaces where punk-doos and pierced body parts replace the old fashions..."
93 Christine says "Indeed."
94 David always finds gender bending an interesting prospect.
95 Don says "One spring day at the Riverside cafe, a communal operation in a small town in Minnesota...."
96 Christine says "In Montana they would serve potatoes and point."
97 David says "I guess I was thinking of characters who used to live the life coming back and interacting with the present form."
98 Christine says "And you would know the guy who washes the dishes--he's a aphilosophy major who's dropped out. Now he lots of skiing."
99 Don says "I was thinking of a mid-30s woman...with a baby...getting tired of the whole thing."
100 Christine says "Wanting the materialistic things that she has denied she wanted for so long?"
101 Don says "Yeh, and a 'normal' life and environment."
102 David says "What's point? The New Riv (RL place) serves rice and veggies, lots of bvegetarian/macrobiotic cuisine."
103 Don says "Conmflict can happen between her and the others."
104 Christine says "Sure. It's potatoes with carrots adn cabbage."
105 Christine says "An old Butte dish."
106 Don says "Does it matter what they serve? I can't be here all night. (Sorry)"
107 Christine says "Patience, sir."
108 David says "How about her crossing with a man who gavi it up, past acquaintance? Lived the greed of the 80s, but wants to find an imagined past"
109 Don says "That sounds interesting, David. And conflict with her current live-in BF."
110 David is lagging terribly, so the food came late. So to speak.
111 David says "Maybe he's the father? Possible father?"
112 Christine says "He could see himself in the child"
113 David nods.
114 Don says "I confess I've never been to such a place...only the old antiVN coffee houses. COuld one of you do a good description of such a cafe?"
115 <Wed Jun 9 20:52:13 1993 David> jap
116 Christine says "David will."
117 Don says "I'd like to see the setting...at least that part of it."
118 Christine says "He's probably writing now."
119 Don nods
120 Christine says "I think the woman is the baker for the cafe. Long dark hair with silver threads in it. The child is ten?"
121 Don says "Ten sounds good...and the baking sounds good. Judy Collins's "I always Cook with Honey"..."
122 Christine says "The man started out in Chicago. Good Catholic boy, got involved with Martin Luther King/Saul Alinsky. Went to Boston College and started organizing welfare moms. Ended up in grad school in boulder. Then went to Minnesota to live off the fat of the land in perfection."
123 Don says "Boy child or girl child?"
124 Christine says "Girl child might make it more complex, but also Pearl-like."
125 Christine says "Or maybe we are doing a revision of The Scarlet Letter."
126 Don says "I hope not...too moralistic."
127 Don says "Perhaps the guy David was talking about drops in...not knowing what kind of cafe he's in..."
128 Christine says "He adn the woman separated in Boulder or somewhere else. Lost touch."
129 Christine says "I think my lag is ferocious."
130 Jim is sorry about that...
131 Don says "Is David still with us?"
132 <Wed Jun 9 21:00:03 1993 David> The Riv Cafe is an old storefront. Maybe two, once, now combined. The windows face Riverside Avenue, where trafic moves at a steady clip. Inside there is a stage at one end where folk, jazz, blues musicians play and the odd poet reads. The door opens at an angle which encompasses both Riverside Avenue and Cedar Avenue. As you enter the cafe, a chalk board to the left lists several foods, mostly items like 'Seasonal plate,' 'Rice and Veggies,' 'Stir Fry.' You grab an old cafeteria tray, some mismatched silverware, and wander through line. Reggae play in the background, the people working there jiggle and glide to the beat. There is a mix of older, grey hairs, young punked-out kids, and young kids who seem to have just walked off a time capsule from the late sixties, early seventies. Artwork hangs on the wall, by locals. The tables are old formica, but subdued in tone. Woodwork adorns some surfaces. The place has a hazy feel, but is not really smokey. A clatter of busy work comes from the kitchen. Sitting at the tables, people read newspapers (aalternative), books, talk in groups of two or three. Young children play at a few tables.
133 Jim thinks so...
134 David says "Yes, just did a long descr paragraph. Not great stuff, but a start. Please edit it."
135 Don says "So he walks into the cafe and sits down at a table to order something."
136 Don says "Christine..you want to take first shor at editting...only one at a time can do that."
137 <Wed Jun 9 21:01:41 1993 David> orders in the line, picks up his food, to mime the way it works. Selfserve, somewhat. But it could be waited...
138 Don says "jlt"
139 Christine says "Sure. Jim, whisper to me what to do ..."
140 <Wed Jun 9 21:02:25 1993 Christine> jlt
141 <Wed Jun 9 21:02:40 1993 Christine> jed 1
142 David says "He could order the food as he walks through the line. I did not do a good job of showing the cafeteria nature of the whole thing."
143 <Wed Jun 9 21:02:50 1993 Christine> jed1
144 <Wed Jun 9 21:03:01 1993 Christine> jed 1
145 Christine says "jed 1"
146 David says "But fiction need not mimick RL, eh? :-)"
147 Don says "God, I hope not."
148 <Wed Jun 9 21:03:43 1993 Christine> jed 1whisper Jim = Now what?
149 David will idle a moment to get a sip of something.
150 <Wed Jun 9 21:04:14 1993 Christine> jlt
151 David shakes himself out of his stupor.
152 Christine says "I swear I'm going to edit this but I can't see anything."
153 <Wed Jun 9 21:05:04 1993 Christine> jed 1
154 <Wed Jun 9 21:05:14 1993 Christine> jlt
155 <Wed Jun 9 21:05:17 1993 Christine> jlt
156 Christine says "Not only do I not see anything but my bottom line has gotten shorter."
157 Don says "Did you type "jed 1?"
158 Jim says "ew."
159 Christine says "I did."
160 <Wed Jun 9 21:05:57 1993 Christine> jed 1
161 <Wed Jun 9 21:06:03 1993 Don> jlt
162 Christine says "jed 1"
163 Jim tests it.
164 Jim says "jed 1"
165 Jim hmmms.
166 David says "Perhaps Riverside should become Hillside, just to do the Blackbear thing."
167 Don nods, "Hillside sounds good.
168 David says "Fitzgerald wrote about Blackbear Lake, really White Bear Lake."
169 <Wed Jun 9 21:07:44 1993 Christine> jltSay That's fine with me.
170 Christine says "David, were you able to keep up with te character descriptions we began?"
171 David says "We could have the Old Hillside Cafe instead of The New Riverside Cafe."
172 Don says "That sounds better to me."
173 Jim says "jlt"
174 David says "A bit. Enough, I think, as this is still foramtive?"
175 Don says "jlt"
176 Jim sighs.
177 <Wed Jun 9 21:08:52 1993 Christine> jlt
178 Jim says "I think it ate David's paragraph."
179 David says "NO Paragraph?"
180 Don says "jed 1"
181 Jim will unlock that.
182 Christine says "Now THAT's some good writing. The machine ate it."
183 <Wed Jun 9 21:09:29 1993 Don> jlt
184 David thinks it must have been tastier than he thought ;-)
185 Jim says "okay, it should work now."
186 <Wed Jun 9 21:10:09 1993 Christine> jed 1
187 Jim says "jap"
188 <Wed Jun 9 21:10:16 1993 Jim> Are we working now?
189 <Wed Jun 9 21:10:17 1993 Christine> jlt
190 Jim says "jed 1"
191 Christine says "jed 1"
192 <Wed Jun 9 21:10:28 1993 Jim> Are we working now?
193 Christine says "It must be working. Someone else is controlling this paragraph1"
194 Jim says "do you want me to re-enter David's paragraph?"
195 David just noticed foramtive, which is making him think of forum...
196 Jim just released it, Christine.
197 David nods.
198 Christine says "jed 1"
199 Jim okays...
200 Don says "jlt"
201 Jim says "jdp 1"
202 <Wed Jun 9 21:11:26 1993 Christine> Are we working now?Say All I got was Are we working now? Is this Zippy the Pinhead writing?
203 Christine says "jdp 1"
204 Christine says "jlt"
205 Jim says "Christine, waitasec."
206 David says "Why did you delete the paragraph?"
207 Jim says "because it was just the test I put in there."
208 David ahhhs.
209 Jim says "Christine, you're not getting the paragraph yanked into your lower window/"
210 Jim says "?"
211 Christine says "jed 1"
212 <Wed Jun 9 21:12:52 1993 Christine> jltjlt
213 Christine says "jlt"
214 Jim says "type something and press return to put it there. That's what happened to David's paragraph."
215 Jim says "jlt"
216 <Wed Jun 9 21:13:15 1993 Christine> jlt
217 <Wed Jun 9 21:13:23 1993 Christine> lskjdfls
218 Jim says "jdp 1"
219 <Wed Jun 9 21:13:33 1993 Christine> jdp 1
220 Christine says "jdp 1"
221 David thinks this is going to take awhile...
222 <Wed Jun 9 21:13:54 1993 David> jlt
223 David says "jlt"
224 Jim says "okay. Are we all still here?"
225 Don says "How about beginning with the man in his car...hot and tired from a long ride from somewhere to Boulder. He sees the cafe and decides to talke a short break. He pulls his new (What wS the hot car at that time?) into the perking lot, the crunch of tires over pebbles, and opens the door."
226 David nods.
227 Jim says "Christine?"
228 Don says "She's editting, I think."
229 Christine says "How about a song he hears on the radio before he gets there that evokes the time before."
230 Don says "Okay...he's listening to golden oldies..."
231 Christine says ""Got to get back to the garden."
232 David turns the radio to 101.3 for that detail of real life...
233 Don says "Something by the Band?"
234 Don says "Not too obvious, though."
235 David likes the gardner, as in get back to...
236 Christine says "jed 1"
237 David er, garden. Maybe too obvious, but he can focus his meditations on that...
238 David says "wanting to get himself back, where did it go wrong... ew. maudlin shit..."
239 Don says "What's he like I wonder...used to be inbto radical politics? Has a wide at home and two kids of his own? Beginning to grow a bit thick around the waist?"
240 Jim says "jap"
241 <Wed Jun 9 21:19:20 1993 Jim> This is paragraph 1. I think.
242 Jim says "jlt"
243 Jim says "jlp"
244 David says "Losing some hair. Driving a fourwheel drive something yuppie-mobile..."
245 Christine says "jed 1"
246 Don says "Jeep Cherokee?"
247 David says "yeah.."
248 <Wed Jun 9 21:20:06 1993 Christine> This is paragraph 1. I think.whisper Jim = Yeah, that's there but what am I supposed to edit?
249 David says "Cherokee in the land of Anishinabe (Ojibwe)"
250 Jim says "it should have yanked the "this is paragraph 1. I think" into your lower window where you can mess with it with the cursor control keys. Did it?"
251 Christine says "Damn! You guys have me pegged."
252 Don says "Wife at hyome...two kids...growing a bit fatter at the waist?"
253 David says "Auto bio, only I drive a chevy wagon..."
254 David says "Well, I never went for the greed, either..."
255 Don says "I rive a Bronco II"
256 David says "Real estate agent?"
257 Christine says "The kids are grown, the wife has a sucesful catering business/real estate agent."
258 David says "Savings and loan banker?"
259 Don says "Travelling saleman...represnting c omputer company?"
260 Christine says "No , he works for a Congress man."
261 David says "Plays on the Mush instead of working?"
262 Christine says "These things are all too sleazy."
263 Christine says "He was led from all this to a job that he thought was supposed to have integrity."
264 Don says "OK, congressional aide to a Coloorado representative."
265 Christine says "Ouch, again."
266 David says "I think the congressman is too clsoe to the old ideals, even if it is a sleaze congressman. Maybe he left to work with a congressman, got into public relations. Wanted to be a writer"
267 David says "Just writes ad copy..."
268 Don says "PR sounds good...but why is he travellilng?"
269 David says "Or worse, news releases"
270 Jim says "jdp 1"
271 Christine says "I'll buy all of this so far."
272 Jim whisks off to get and reload David's text.
273 David says "Presidential campaign, hired by a (losing) incumbent to"
274 Don says "Presidential's too big...something smaller...congressional."
275 David says "do pre-debate/pre-cam paign visit press handling, spin, publicity, interviews, etc."
276 Don says "Or maybe a hack for some company."
277 Don says "Wants to take over the land and buold a major warehouse where the Old Hillside Cafe stands...or nearby."
278 David says "How come Minnesota from Colorado on congressional ticket, though? Congresman going for bigger stuff?"
279 David says "Oh, the garbage burner--they built it for real right near downtown. ny."
280 David says "That was pr for the engineering company."
281 Don says "That sounds good to me...loss of ideals...big money."
282 Christine says "Yup."
283 Don says "And he's donme his research...knows his old girlfriend and her 'husband' own the cafe."
284 Christine says "Sees the kid first thing when he walks in teh cafe."
285 David says "yeah, and old girlfriend who is longing for material stuff"
286 Jim says "jap"
287 David says "still resists"
288 <Wed Jun 9 21:27:54 1993 David> the garbage burner.
289 David says "the garbage burner. Argggh laggggggg"
290 Don says "Sounds like enough of a setup...Four characters? Him, the old girlfriend, the kid and the current SO?"
291 Christine says "What kidn of guy is the SO?"
292 Don says "Ket's start in the cafe then...and dreop the drive up."
293 David says "I thought we began with a communal cafe--she can't own a commune"
294 Don says "Used to be a commune...manyt people left...leaving her, him and the kid with ownsdership."
295 David says "He could wonder./know she still works there."
296 Christine says "Maybe she needs his help and called him."
297 Don says "The SO...kinda cowboyish in a San Shepherd way."
298 David says "Maybe I'm stuck on RL here, but I like the idea of it still being a commune"
299 David says "If she owned it, what's the deal with the ideals, the material stuff."
300 Don says "David, I couldn't read that last sentenmce."
301 Don says "I was trying to figure out how to work the commune in...might require a crowd scene...and I'm awful at those."
302 Christine says "You can only scrub out the pickle contaner so many times. She's probably in the mood for getting in that Jeep and driving away."
303 Don says "Didn't communes have to have some kind of *shudder* corporate ownership?"
304 Christine says "No crowds. We should focus on people."
305 <Wed Jun 9 21:33:09 1993 Jim> The Riv Cafe is an old storefront. Maybe two, once, now combined. The windows face Riverside Avenue, where traffic moves at a steady clip. Inside there is a stage at one end where folk, jazz, blues musicians play and the odd poet reads. THe door opens an an angle which encompasses both Riverside and Cedar Avenue. As you enter the cafe, a chalk board to the left lists several foods, mostly items like "Seasonal Plate" , "Rice and Veggies", "Stir Fry." You grab an old cafeteria tray, some mismatched silverware, and wander through the line. Reggae plays in the background, the people working there jiggle and glide to the beat. There is a mix of oplder, grey hairs, young punked-out kids, and young kids who seem to have just walked off a time capsule from the late sixties, early seventies. Artwork hangs on the wall, by locals. The tables are old formica, but subdued in tone. Woodwork adorns some surfaces. The place has a hazy feel, but is not really smokey. A clatter of busy work comes from the kitchen. SItting at the tables, people reaad newspapers (alternative), books, talk in groups of two or three. Young children play at a few tables.
306 Don says "He could have dug up the owndership pares and determined that a sijple majhority could sell it. Only five people left...including the ten year old...they could carry the vote."
307 Jim says "jlt"
308 Jim says "okay. David's paragraph is back."
309 Don says "jlt"
310 Christine says "jed 1"
311 David says "If she owned the cafe, what would be the big deal about the ideals--she would be part of the market"
312 <Wed Jun 9 21:34:25 1993 David> p"No crowd scenes necessary.
313 David says "The commune is only in the background."
314 Don says "I like your descriptive paragraph...but tyere is a mob there."
315 <Wed Jun 9 21:35:02 1993 Christine> The Riv Cafe is an old storefront. Maybe two, once, now combined. The windows face Riverside Avenue, where traffic moves at a steady clip. Inside there is a stage at one end where folk, jazz, blues musicians play and the odd poet reads. THe door opens an an angle which encompasses both Riverside and Cedar Avenue. As you enter the cafe, a chalk board to the left lists several foods, mostly items like "Seasonal Plate" , "Rice and Veggies", "Stir Fry." You grab an old cafeteria tray, some mismatched silverware, and wander through the line. Reggae plays in the background, the people working there jiggle and glide to the beat. There is a mix of oplder, grey hairs, young punked-out kids, and young kids who seem to have just walked off a time capsule from the late sixties, early seventies. Artwork hangs on the wall, by locals. The tables are old formica, but subdued in tone. Woodwork adorns some surfaces. The place has a hazy feel, but is not really smokey. A clatter of busy work comes from the kitchen. SItting at the tables, people reaad newspapers (alternative), books, talk in groups of two or three. Young children play at a few tables.whisper Jim = It was there but it just flew by me.
316 David says "They run the cafe, she works there."
317 <Wed Jun 9 21:35:46 1993 Christine> jlt
318 David says "They don't need to be detailed."
319 Christine says "jlt"
320 David says "Any cafe has the people who work there..."
321 Don says "So he walks in and sees the scene you've drawn...goes through the cafeteria line and spots his old girlfriend?"
322 Christine says "jed 1"
323 David says "the customers, others who come and go"
324 David lags into near oblivion.
325 Don says "She doesn't recognize him at first...he gets a plate of whatever and sits at a small table not far from the door.?"
326 David says "he could ask for her. Maybe he acts like he's here to help (I'm from the go"
327 David says "government."
328 David says "Then she's right there, maybe he was looking at her."
329 David says "All alongl."
330 Don says "We know a bit about him...how about her?"
331 David says "Not sure who the father of her child is--daughter? son?"
332 Don says "Make it a daughter."
333 David says "Takes the bus and bikes, but secretly wishes for a BMW :-)"
334 David likes daughters, having two of his own./
335 David says "Or a Jeep Cherokee......"
336 Don says "She needs to be more than just a worker bee...perhaps a leader in the commuine?"
337 David says "I don't think you get communes...she could be active in local resistance to the burner."
338 Don says "jlt"
339 David says "She could be an elder of the tribe, so to speak."
340 David says "Maybe she longs to be a leader, burned out on all the egalitarian bs..."
341 David says "Sees how the commune is spinning its wheels, could be more effective with leadership..."
342 Don says "No, she is one...but getting tired of holding it all together?"
343 Don says "Tired of being mother to the clan...wants her own life...wants out...somehow?"
344 David says "defacto leader? Communes are supposed to be all equal (they never are, of course)"
345 Don says "Right...leads by force of personality."
346 David says "Better personality than mother....yes, I can groove on it"
347 David says "She's more like him than not"
348 <Wed Jun 9 21:47:13 1993 David> jlt
349 David says "jlt"
350 Don says "jlt"
351 Jim says "The changes Christine is making won't show up until she's done with them."
352 Don idles for a moment to get a beer. Right back.
353 David says "How much story do you need tonight Jim?"
354 Jim says "As much as gets done. I can go as late as y'all want tonight... but I know Don has to go someplace tomorrow."
355 <Wed Jun 9 21:50:08 1993 Christine> The Old Hillside Cafe is an old storefront, where Pagliana's Market and Hansen's Ice Cream once stood. The windows face Higgins Avenue, where traffic movessteadily towards the Strip. Inside the brightly painted buildine is a stage at one end where folk, jazz, blues musicians play and the occasional poet reads. Jake opens the angled door which encompasses both Riverside and Cedar Avenue. As he enters the cafe he notices the bright yell ow posters proclaiming resistance to the burner. A chalk board to the left lists several foods, mostly items like "Seasonal Plate" , "Rice and Veggies", "Stir Fry." He grabs an old cafeteria tray, some mismatched silverware, and wanders through the line. Reggae plays in the background, the people working there jiggle and glide to the beat. There is a mix of oplder, grey hairs, young punked-out kids, and young kids who seem to have just walked off a time capsule from the late sixties, early seventies. Artwork hangs on the wall, by locals. The tables are old formica, but subdued in tone. Woodwork adorns some surfaces. The place has a hazy feel, but is not really smokey. A clatter of busy work comes from the kitchen. SItting at the tables, people reaad newspapers (alternative), books, talk in groups of two or three. Young children play at a few tables.
356 Christine says "Am I back yet?"
357 David lays back and closes his eyes a moment.
358 David sits back up.
359 Jim says "Yup. :)"
360 David says "hey there stranger."
361 Jim says "jlt"
362 David says "jlt"
363 Christine says "Editing is very slow and tedious. I did a lot of microchanges and I thought I might check back with you to see if you thought it was okay."
364 Christine says "I'm about half done."
365 Christine says "I've been tracking your discussion adn I think it's all good."
366 David says "OK. I haven't been able to read it. I'll give it another try."
367 David says "jlt"
368 Don says "Why don't we each try an intropductory paragraph? Is that possible, Jim?"
369 Jim says "um... sure..."
370 Jim says "just keep track of who's is who's..."
371 Jim says "because the first one will be Davids, the second will be whoever does it second, and so on."
372 Don says "After we do that, we could decide which way to begin and delete the other two, then edit the remaining one."
373 Jim says "yup."
374 David says "All I see is some old conversation from us and the last part of my original paragraph."
375 Jim says "what?"
376 David says "jlt"
377 Jim says "jlt"
378 Jim says "it's there."
379 Don says "jlt"
380 Christine says "Don, you go next."
381 Don says "jlt"
382 Christine says "Is Don working>?"
383 Jim says "probably not..."
384 Jim says "he has to jed the thing first."
385 Don says "I'm reading a printoput of Christine's edit."
386 Jim says "though he may be closely reading and planning..."
387 Don says "Is there a way to break the paragraph in half?"
388 Jim says "hmm..."
389 Jim says "the best way I can think of would be to copy it, delete the second half of the first para and the first half of the second para."
390 Don says "O.K., let me try that."
391 Christine says "I think I would have started it like this: The dirctions she had given him were clearn enough. Just as he turned off the freeway exit to the frontage road, the musci on the radio began to play ...."
392 Don says "I would type jcp1 jcp 2?"
393 Jim says "no. jcp 1 2"
394 Don says "jcp 1 2"
395 Jim says "then, assuming the paragraph has filled your lower window, just press return."
396 <Wed Jun 9 22:01:00 1993 Don> The Old Hillside Cafe is an old storefront, where Pagliana's Market and Hansen's Ice Cream once stood. The windows face Higgins Avenue, where traffic movessteadily towards the Strip. Inside the brightly painted buildine is a stage at one end where folk, jazz, blues musicians play and the occasional poet reads. Jake opens the angled door which encompasses both Riverside and Cedar Avenue. As he enters the cafe he notices the bright yell ow posters proclaiming resistance to the burner. A chalk board to the left lists several foods, mostly items like "Seasonal Plate" , "Rice and Veggies", "Stir Fry." He grabs an old cafeteria tray, some mismatched silverware, and wanders through the line. Reggae plays in the background, the people working there jiggle and glide to the beat. There is a mix of oplder, grey hairs, young punked-out kids, and young kids who seem to have just walked off a time capsule from the late sixties, early seventies. Artwork hangs on the wall, by locals. The tables are old formica, but subdued in tone. Woodwork adorns some surfaces. The place has a hazy feel, but is not really smokey. A clatter of busy work comes from the kitchen. SItting at the tables, people reaad newspapers (alternative), books, talk in groups of two or three. Young children play at a few tables.
397 Don says "jlt"
398 Don says "jlt"
399 Don says "No, there's just one paragraph there...the same one, but no copy."
400 Jim says "jlp"
401 Jim says "hmmm"
402 Jim says "jcp 1 2"
403 <Wed Jun 9 22:03:26 1993 Jim> The Old Hillside Cafe is an old storefront, where Pagliana's Market and Hansen's Ice Cream once stood. The windows face Higgins Avenue, where traffic movessteadily towards the Strip. Inside the brightly painted buildine is a stage at one end where folk, jazz, blues musicians play and the occasional poet reads. Jake opens the angled door which encompasses both Riverside and Cedar Avenue. As he enters the cafe he notices the bright yell ow posters proclaiming resistance to the burner. A chalk board to the left lists several foods, mostly items like "Seasonal Plate" , "Rice and Veggies", "Stir Fry." He grabs an old cafeteria tray, some mismatched silverware, and wanders through the line. Reggae plays in the background, the people working there jiggle and glide to the beat. There is a mix of oplder, grey hairs, young punked-out kids, and young kids who seem to have just walked off a time capsule from the late sixties, early seventies. Artwork hangs on the wall, by locals. The tables are old formica, but subdued in tone. Woodwork adorns some surfaces. The place has a hazy feel, but is not really smokey. A clatter of busy work comes from the kitchen. SItting at the tables, people reaad newspapers (alternative), books, talk in groups of two or three. Young children play at a few tables.
404 Jim says "jlp"
405 Jim says "what the hey?"
406 Don says "maybe if I tried inserting a <CR> at the spot I want?"
407 Jim says "no, Jed would still think of it as one paragraph."
408 Don says "But it would show it as two, no?"
409 David has reconnected.
410 Jim says "yeah..."
411 David comes in screaming from the dead....
412 Don says "Okay, I'll try it."
413 David says "My local connection dumped me, apparently."
414 Don says "jed 1"
415 Jim says "sokay."
416 David says "I have been gone, di you notice?"
417 David says "jlt"
418 Jim says "Don, the character for a <cr> is %r"
419 David has partially disconnected.
420 David says "yeah! I got the whole thing, this time."
421 David says "Can I play with paragraph 1 while Don works on two?"
422 Jim nods.
423 David says "Or is Christine playing with one?"
424 Jim says "wait wait..."
425 Jim says "there is no paragraph two yet."
426 David says "I will wait. That is why I have a wood penny whistle with me..."
427 Jim says "jap"
428 <Wed Jun 9 22:09:48 1993 Jim> this should be paragraph 2
429 Jim says "jlp"
430 Jim says "jdp 2"
431 Jim aha's...
432 Jim figures out what's wrong with jed's copy function.
433 David cheers for Jim.
434 David idles a moment.
435 <Wed Jun 9 22:23:25 1993 Don> Jake Brisano, tired and not really wanting to do what he knows he has to do, stops for a moment on the sidewalk outside The Hillside Cafe, an old storefront, where Pagliana's Market and Hansen's Ice Cream once stood. In the window facing Higgins Avenue, he sees the reflection of traffic moving steadily towards the Strip. Through the window, he can just make out the brightly painted stage at one end where, he4 has heard, folk, jazz, and blues musicians play and the occasional poet reads.
436 Jake opens the angled door which encompasses both Riverside and Cedar Avenue. As he enters the cafe he notices the bright yell ow posters proclaiming resistance to the burner. A chalk board to the left lists several foods, mostly items like "Seasonal Plate" , "Rice and Veggies", "Stir Fry." He grabs an old cafeteria tray, some mismatched silverware, and wanders through the line. Reggae plays in the background, the people working there jiggle and glide to the beat. There is a mix of oplder, grey hairs, young punked-out kids, and young kids who seem to have just walked off a time capsule from the late sixties, early seventies. Artwork hangs on the wall, by locals. The tables are old formica, but subdued in tone. Woodwork adorns some surfaces. The place has a hazy feel, but is not really smokey. A clatter of busy work comes from the kitchen. SItting at the tables, people reaad newspapers (alternative), books, talk in groups of two or three. Young children play at a few tables.
437 Don says "Boy is that difficult!"
438 Jim says "sorry."
439 David says "Hi!"
440 Jim says "there were only a few ways I could get MUSH to edit..."
441 Don says "jlt"
442 Jim is still tinkering with the copy function.
443 Don says "is everyone still here?"
444 Christine says "I'm here and rarin' to go!"
445 David sits up and pays closer attention.
446 Don says "Take a look...I wanted to start with him, instead of the description.
447 Don says " r works by the way."
448 Christine says "jlt"
449 <Wed Jun 9 22:25:32 1993 David> jlt
450 David says "jlt"
451 Don says "That should have said percent r works by the way. But the precent didn;t show up."
452 Christine says "It looks very good, Don."
453 Christine says "I thought later that the posters should be more subtle and just have apicture that later ties in with what they are talking about."
454 Christine says "Sorry to microedit."
455 Christine says "I would change the last sentence to introduce the child in the story."
456 David says "Black and white, a picture of the burner with a crossed out circle (international no)"
457 Don says "I didn't do qnything after the paragraph break."
458 David says "good point about the child. I do like getting it on with the character right away."
459 Don says "I like that, David."
460 Christine says "Yes, it still needs work because it sounds too much like stage directions."
461 David says "getting it on, or the poster?"
462 Don says "Either one...but I was talking about the poster."
463 David smiles.
464 David says "Amazing how long it takes to get 2 draft paragraphs..."
465 Christine says "the next paragraph would be him eating and then seeing her through the kitchen."
466 Don says "Someone else4 wanta edit the second paragraph? It's actrually poart of jed1"
467 David says "Should I have at it again?"
468 Don says "Go ahead...your tuirn anyway."
469 Christine says "Yes, and get the child in."
470 <Wed Jun 9 22:30:32 1993 David> jed1
471 David says "jed1"
472 Don says "We'll explain the poster when he actually starts talking to her."
473 David says "I don't have a paragraph..."
474 David says "jed1"
475 David says "jed 1"
476 Christine says "I'd like to get all this exposition out of the way right away."
477 Christine says "I think there has to be a central incident to the whole thing right there in the cafe."
478 Christine says "that shows how radically different their vantage points are."
479 Christine says "I read too much Aristotle in my yourth."
480 Don says "He can have a brief case and pull out papers...then she can say something about he's sold ouot to the establishment."
481 Don says "A real cliche!"
482 <Wed Jun 9 22:35:10 1993 David> Jake Brisano, tired and not really wanting to do what he knows he has to do, stops for a moment on the sidewalk outside The Hillside Cafe, an old storefront, where Pagliana's Market and Hansen's Ice Cream once stood. In the window facing Higgins Avenue, he sees the reflection of traffic moving steadily towards the Strip. Through the window, he can just make out the brightly painted stage at one end where, he has heard, folk, jazz, and blues musicians play and the occasional poet read.
483 Christine says "But gently. Never say what he means, never mean what he says."
484 David says "jed 1"
485 <Wed Jun 9 22:35:42 1993 David> Jake Brisano, tired and not really wanting to do what he knows he has to do, stops for a moment on the sidewalk outside The Hillside Cafe, an old storefront, where Pagliana's Market and Hansen's Ice Cream once stood. In the window facing Higgins Avenue, he sees the reflection of traffic moving steadily towards the Strip. Through the window, he can just make out the brightly painted stage at one end where, he has heard, folk, jazz, and blues musicians play and the occasional poet read.
486 David says "jed 2"
487 <Wed Jun 9 22:35:56 1993 David> jed1
488 David says "jlp"
489 <Wed Jun 9 22:36:24 1993 David> jlp
490 David says "I managed to loose everything after the first indent"
491 David shakes his head. Oh shit.
492 Jim says "oh dear..."
493 Don says "jlt"
494 <Wed Jun 9 22:37:31 1993 Christine> jlt
495 <Wed Jun 9 22:37:33 1993 David> jlt
496 Christine says "jlt"
497 David says "jlt"
498 Jim says "jlt"
499 David says "jlt"
500 Don says "We seem to have lost the second section of the paragraph."
501 Jim nods.
502 Don says "I can retype it from my original printout...if you like."
503 Jim says "it might be agreat time to split it into two paragraphs."
504 Don says "Okay, let me do that."
505 David says "I went up with the arrow keys to edit. I could not get back down ..."
506 Jim says "really? your down arrow didn't work?"
507 David says "It worked only until I got to what is now the last line."
508 Don says "jlt"
509 Jim says "sometimes you have to wait and let the editor and stuff catch up..."
510 David says "Did the percent r hang it up?"
511 Don says "jip"
512 Jim says "I don't think so."
513 David ah hahs. Perhaps I was too impatient. I am lagging....
514 Jim says "Don, you want jap, I think."
515 Jim says "jip requires the number you want the new paragraph to be."
516 Christine sings, "I want a jap, just like the jap, that married dear old dad..."
517 Jim chuckles.
518 David laughs (but only a little).
519 David plays his flute in soothing repetitions...
520 <Wed Jun 9 22:47:19 1993 Don> As he enters the cafe, Jake grimaces as he sees a crudely drawn poster with huge black letters protesting the burner his company plans to erect in the town. He looks around and sees a chalk board to his left which lists several foods, items like "Seasonal Plate," "Rice and Veggies," "Stir Fry." He grabs a dented, metal cafeteria tray and wanders through the line. The noise if the cafe bothers him, reggae music playing louddly in the background, people jiggling and gliding to the beat. Among the mis of older long hairs, now graying, he sees young, punked out kids and others who seem to have walked out of a time capsule from the 60s. One young girl catches his attention, about ten years old, her long blonde hair, dirty and tangled. He puts a micture of rice and green beans on his tray and makes his way through the writhing dancers to a small table near the door.
521 Don says "O.K., I tried to work in the girl. Sorry if I've cut too much. Someone else take over paragraph 2."
522 Don says "jlt"
523 Jim says "jlp"
524 David says "jlt"
525 Christine says "jlt"
526 Don says "jlt"
527 Jim says "Oh hell..."
528 Jim says "jlp"
529 Jim says "Oh there it is."
530 Jim says "Whew."
531 Christine says "Excellent, Don!"
532 Christine says "I think you caught the jist of it right away."
533 Jim thought we were having major malfunctions. nevermind, excuse his french., :)
534 David like my mnouth is clean.
535 David says "Nice work Don."
536 Don says "Does someone want to edit that?"
537 David says "ok."
538 Christine says "I don't think it neneds editing."
539 Christine says "I think we need the next paragraph."
540 David says "I'd tend to agree."
541 Jim says "jlp"
542 David says "jlt"
543 Christine says "Okay, I'll do the next one. How do I make it, Jim."
544 Jim takes a deep breath, and...
545 Jim says "hang on. Jed's having mental problems. FOr the time being could we not use jip or copy?"
546 Don says "Just type jap?"
547 Jim says "wait..."
548 Don says "O.k."
549 Jim says "please... or we'll loose that second paragraph."
550 Jim says "I think."
551 David idles a moment.
552 Jim says "jap"
553 <Wed Jun 9 22:54:24 1993 Jim> test
554 Jim says "jlt"
555 Jim says "jlp"
556 Jim arghs. the lookup table is hosed.
557 Christine says "The jap jilted Jim in the jugular joyfully."
558 Jim says "jlp"
559 David stutters a chuckle.
560 Christine says "Jim I think for experimental purposes you ahve a nice start here."
561 Jim says "yeah..."
562 Christine says "You can show us setting up a protocol for writing and putting together characters."
563 Don says "I'm not really in a hurry."
564 Jim says "definately..."
565 Jim says "Jed works, he's just got problems with insert and copy."
566 Christine says "Rather than be more frustrated by the technical aspects, why not leave it at that."
567 <Wed Jun 9 22:57:30 1993 Jim> As he enters the cafe, Jake grimaces as he sees a crudely drawn poster with huge black letters protesting the burner his company plans to erect in the town. He looks around and sees a chalk board to his left which lists several foods, items like "Seasonal Plate," "Rice and Veggies," "Stir Fry." He grabs a dented, metal cafeteria tray and wanders through the line. The noise if the cafe bothers him, reggae music playing louddly in the background, people jiggling and gliding to the beat. Among the mis of older long hairs, now graying, he sees young, punked out kids and others who seem to have walked out of a time capsule from the 60s. One young girl catches his attention, about ten years old, her long blonde hair, dirty and tangled. He puts a micture of rice and green beans on his tray and makes his way through the writhing dancers to a small table near the door.
568 Christine says "I'm not in a hurry either. I just thought it might be easier to stop here."
569 Jim says "do the rest of you agree?"
570 David says "I am a bit tired. I did not sleep last night, having nightmeres about what turned out to be real today....(not this *grin*)"
571 Christine says "If you like, I'm sure we'd all be glad to offer a postmortem."
572 Jim says "okay, let's do that."
573 Don says "Depends on you, Jim. You know more about your project than we do. I kind of hate to stop without introducing the main female character."
574 David says "I agree with Christine, but I could go a little bit more, if that would be a benefit"
575 Christine says "the first thing you know is that the technical bugs have to be worked out."
576 Jim says "We can still work on the story after the project is done..."
577 Jim says "and after the bugs are ironed..."
578 Christine says "How did you other folks feel about writing together?"
579 David says "i'd liek that."
580 David lagggggggg
581 Christine says "I could see that I have a tendency to microedit which might be
582 irritating to others."
583 Don says "I found it difficult and somewhat time-consuming...but I did start working in areas I hadn't experimented with before."
584 Christine says "Like what, Don?"
585 David says "I found it interesting, definitely time consuming."
586 Christine says "I've worked in colalborative groups before, but in person."
587 David says "How did this differ?"
588 Don says "I would never have worked in such a setting, though I did a reading once at the Zulu T Box...a kind of funky place on the main strip in San Antonio. The plot isn't the kind I normally work with."
589 Christine says "I thought it was much easier without the group politics that often crop up in person."
590 Christine says "How does it differ form your regular plot?"
591 Jim says "like what, Christine?"
592 Christine says "Well, I think that I would defer more to men in a group setting in person."
593 Christine says "I feel quite liberated by this forum as far s that goes."
594 Christine says "And I think the setting and the plot that Don was not used to working with might be more comfortable for David and I who are the s ame age (I'm not trying to be agist, Don)."
595 Jim smiles.
596 David says "I felt as though I over-controled the setting by describing a real place in Minnesota. I wonder if it would have been different if the place had been Montana or California..."
597 Don says "No, I agree. The only time I've really dealt with 60s material (though this occurs later) is in my VN war stories."
598 Christine says "Or Texas."
599 Christine says "I definitely work with a dsense of place and having folks from around the country working on a story really was hard for me."
600 Jim notes, btw, that if y'all want to, you can connect here directly and do away with a lot of the typing log.
601 David smiles.
602 Christine says "The Writers at Work conference is having a workshop on just that topic."
603 Don says "Can I exit the wp without QUITting?"
604 Christine says "Let's go to the typing mmenu, I mean the regular one."
605 Jim says "um no..."
606 Jim says "but I think we'll wait... :)"
607 Christine has partially disconnected.
608 Don says "So we'd need to log back in?"
609 Jim nods. "Right.
610 Don says "Okay, be right back"
611 David has disconnected.
612 Don has disconnected.
613 David has connected.
614 David waves.
615 Jim waves.
616 David says "AHhhhhhhhhhhhhh."
617 David says "Shall I destroy the capture file I left last time?"
618 Jim says "nah... don't destroy *anything* yet. :)"
619 David says "Rose, rose, don't touch antyhing..."
620 David quotes children's movies ad nauseum.
621 Jim locks jed up so nothing evil happens to it.
622 <Wed Jun 9 23:07:47 1993 Jim> asdf
623 Don has connected.
624 Don says "I had to restart my PC."
625 Jim says "ew."
626 David says "don't trust us, Jim? Or was Sleeping Beuaty a dangerous reference?"
627 Jim says "no, neither..."
628 Don says "When i type QUIT, it didn't quit all the way."
629 Jim says "just paranoid. :)"
630 David says "ouch."
631 David the last to Don.
632 Christine has reconnected.
633 Jim says "just type /quit next time, Don."
634 Christine says "Did I miss any good parts, huh?"
635 Don says "Now you tell me!!!!!!! *grin*"
636 Jim says "not that we'll be using tf, if there is a next time..."
637 David says "I was just quoting disney movies..."
638 Christine says "I thought of another thing....I know both Don and David--not in the Biblical sense , of course."
639 David grins.
640 Jim says "if I do this again or it becomes a regular feature on WriteMUSH, the word processor will be drastically different."
641 Christine says "I know Don's writing and I've gotten to know David as a person a bit--after all our children are going to be maried."
642 Don blinkblinks
643 David nods in agreement. sings 'Matchmaker, matchmaker'
644 Christine says "I trusted them. I'm not sure that I would feel the same way had there been strangers connected to write togethre."
645 Jim hmmms.
646 Jim says "would you say you know them better than you would after a couple weeks of class?"
647 David says "I liked best the fast paced discussions when ideas flowed, transmuted, flew out the window..."
648 Don says "I suspecty it would be more difficult to get started. What helped here was David's drawing a word picture of the cafe...a place to start."
649 Jim smiles. "it seemed a little subversive at the time...
650 David says "Which came from Midwest, Minnesota, connections..."
651 David says "Hello?"
652 Don says "But it was needed. I normally start from a character or a line."
653 David lags even in this format.
654 Christine says "I think that it would have been interesting to have it be more of a dialogue, had we been able to do like we do at MUSH funcitons."
655 Don says "Yes, David, you're astill here."
656 David phews.
657 Don says "Maybe a play?"
658 Jim says "so, for example, just have Jed be able to listen and play back?"
659 Christine says "I remember at your wedding, Jim, that I felt like I was IN a short story. I would like to have that experience again."
660 David says "Role-play."
661 Jim says "ah."
662 Jim says "make the MUSH the story itself..."
663 Christine says "Exactly."
664 David says "Isn't it? A story, ongoing, changing."
665 David says "interactive, hypertextual...."
666 David says "(in the case of Furry, hypersexual?)"
667 Christine says "When I've looked back at the few logs I've been able to do on MUSHing, I think, "Gee, I could just add the descriptions here and there, and this would be a story.""
668 Jim chuckles.
669 Don says "After that, Jim, I would still want an editting session."
670 Jim nods.
671 Don says "Are you on Furry, too, David?"
672 David agrees.
673 David will never tell who he is on Furry...
674 Christine says "Yeah, I really doubt that the author is dead...someone would ultimately have to make the final decisions, don't you think?"
675 Jim won't either. :)
676 Don says "Nor will Don...though Christine knows and also won't reveal all."
677 Christine says "Yeah, Don knows some of my folks, too."
678 David says "Maybe the MUSH IS already the whole thing--that is, all those people logged in are the readers/writers/livers of the story."
679 Don says "Frequenbtly a poorly written story, though!"
680 Jim says "so how is the story created, then?"
681 Christine says "Don has a good point, though."
682 Christine says "It's hard to enjoy yourself when there are bad writers writing along with you."
683 David says "There are many poorly written of the other kind, but I agree, I wasn't arguing for quality, but a new genre, perhaps."
684 Christine says "'Course I'm saying that WE are good writers."
685 David wipes his brow, He was worried that he had ruined Christine's enjoyment.
686 Christine says "You mean a genre of form, don't you, David?"
687 Christine laughs and whoops it up. She thinks this whole thing is great and has wonderful possibilities.
688 David says "Genre is related to form, isn't it? Maybe form, maybe genre in a wider sense."
689 David says "Like, poetry, fiction, non-fiction, MUSH..."
690 Don thinks most MUSHes are more like plays. With spoofing for stage
691 directions, sets, and dialogue in talking and whispers.
692 Christine says "I guess I was thinking of the distinction are department makes; there are genre forms and genre content, like fantastic lit, detective, period ficiton."
693 Don says "Eacvh ator describes hhimself/herself plus the individual set."
694 David says "yeah, I can see that. Improv play, sort of, around some set pieces (programmed objects/exits/etc."
695 David idles to see to a waking child. Back in a moment.
696 Christine says "The setting is still very important. Have you noticed while MUSHing how you feel differently in different settings?"
697 Don says "I've never been to one of the 'adventure-style' MUSHes, where people go on adventures and win e-prizes."
698 Jim was about to say that you've never seen any of his writing... but you're *in* some of it right now...
699 Christine says "Neither have I."
700 Jim says "me neither."
701 Don says "Do you have any Qs you need to ask us, Jim?"
702 David says "nor the ones which role-play around very specific books/series...(is there a Pern?"
703 Jim smiles. "Funny you should ask. :)"
704 Christine says "I think of the ones I've been on as a way to know people better, by talking to them at length (and probably ad nauseum)."
705 Jim says "though a number of them have been answered along the way. :)"
706 Christine says "That's what constitutes good fiction for me, too, though--when I have the opportunity to know something more about another human being."
707 David says "I want to set one up with conference rooms and 'classrooms' for students/classes to use for virtual conferencing."
708 Christine says "Me, too. Is that what yours is going to be like, Don?"
709 David says "But I won't be in charge of those wonderful new computers I am
710 setting up...:-("
711 Jim says "Writemush will still be 'round..."
712 Don says "I got an announce,ent of a big, new one, dedicated to science and engineering..no games, no ts, just serious discussion, with rooms for specific topics."
713 David says "Can it handle 20 odd at a time?"
714 Christine says "Yes, from MIT. I haven't been there yet but I've been to PMC-MOO, the one for postmodern culture which is truly an odd place."
715 David meant Write Mush
716 Jim says "not here... but once we move to (hopefully) the site Scott is trying to get permission for, we can..."
717 Christine says "And I've been on a lot of empty ones--that feels very ghost-like, I think."
718 David says "I've been to Media Moo (MIT), but can't quite figure out my way yet..."
719 Jim says "I think I do have a question..."
720 Don says "I have permission to build one...but it would have to be limited to 'invitation only.'"
721 David says "Ahh. Maybe I can get permission from here....yes, I think I know who to ask!"
722 Christine gets down on her knees and begs for an invitation. She hates to be left out of any party.
723 Don says "What's the Q, Jim?"
724 David dittos, but may already be on the floor.
725 Jim says "my question is... Did working here (points around him) change the way you wrote?"
726 David says "yes."
727 Jim says "I mean, did, for example, having everyone else here change the *way* you wrote, not just what you wrote?"
728 David supposes he could elaborate on that, if asked to.
729 Jim says "please do."
730 Don says "Absolutely...but I'm not sure if it was the collaboration or the MUSH."
731 Christine says "Oh, yeah."
732 David says "Both, for me."
733 Christine says "I could probably have written the story from our initial conversation."
734 Christine says "But the nature of the experiment requriired our collaboration."
735 David says "I usually run for it, tear into the writing without thinking so much ahead. Let the story happen in front of me on the page. The stuff we did, to work as a group, would come at a later point, revision."
736 Christine says "Me, too."
737 Jim says "Don?"
738 Christine says "Jim, mysystem is going down real soon."
739 Jim says "okay. Do you need to go?"
740 Christine says "Probably 300 seconds."
741 Jim says "5 minutes."
742 Christine says "I'll stay until I'm popped off."
743 Jim says "okay."
744 Don says "Yeh, my style usually doesn't include as much description. In that, I was feeding off David and Christine."
745 Jim says "are y'all happy with the work that was produced?"
746 Don says "I would never have lingered as long on the desc. of the cafe."
747 Christine says "Well, I think--if cliches could be avoided--that it is a beginning with possibilities."
748 Don says "Yes, if it's considered as a first draft."
749 Jim says "of course."
750 David says "I think it was a start, but still clearly early draft. I like the characters we sketched. We needed more plot, but that would come."
751 Christine says "I KNOW that place very well--at least its Montana version."
752 David says "I know it RL Minnesota version. Eat there often..."
753 Don says "And I don;t know it at all...one of the exciting things about it for me."
754 Jim nods.
755 Don says "Maybe that's why I wanted to focus more on action and plot."
756 Christine says "Makes me wonder what would have happened had we set up a totally fantastic situation, like science fiction or fantasy."
757 Jim nods. "Good question...
758 David says "Much of what we wrote did not make it into the text--we had planned out some action, thought out the characters. A lot of verbal notes, pre-writing ala Elbow (knee, heads and toes)"
759 David is really a two headed alien.
760 Christine says "I'm surprised, too, by what Don says about description. I have to know where I'm at and who these people are."
761 Don says "I do something similar to this when I free write...looking for a story...banging on my computer keys. That's how I wrote my one SF story."
762 David says "me, too, but who they are often comes from the writing. Here, we needed a clear vision together."
763 Jim says "were there any suprizes in what was created?"
764 Jim says "for any of you?"
765 David me, too was to Christine's description comment.
766 Don says "I need to know that, too. But I'm usually more sparse in description...more gabby in dialogue."
767 David says "i didn't expect to write about the bio-magnetic center of the universe."
768 Christine says "Sure. Stories are always surprises to me, how they shape themselves, the feeling that comes out."
769 Jim says "did anything go on that you didn't like?"
770 Jim says "if you're gonna whisper, whisper to Igor. :)"
771 Jim says "he's the one logging things."
772 Don says "I suspect we all had some influence on the thing...Christine's commune experience, maichael's Cafe...my own need to write about folx who are out of their 20s."
773 David says "I was thinking today, what would we write about? How would we decide? I said I felt like following, but then I wrote about Minneapolis and "lead" in a way. Many surprises."
774 Christine laughs. Her commune experience lasted about two days. She's a wimp. Doesn't like to go out to the outhouse in the middle of the night.
775 Don says "Yes, but you've done research on a religious commune."
776 Christine says "That's true."
777 Jim says "okay, I'm gonna shut logging off in a sec... does anyone have anything to add for posterity on my paper?"
778 David says "They are a bit different, I think. My commune experience was around Bubbling Springs, and they had a bathroom."
779 David says "I want to do more. Keep working on JED."
780 Don says "I don't think so, Jim. I found it an interesting experience that forced me to think of place and 'some' characters I would not have thought of or written about."
781 Christine says "I'm willing to try again, if we can get the technical aspects worked out."
782 David says "Anyone want to work seperately on the piece and see how the three version compare?"
783 Don says "That might be fun. But I'm gonna be away for the next ten days or so."